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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

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  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Murray Smith

  Maybe the clean break is the best way for you . . . if you're confident you can manage the fallout (shunning).

  I would encourage you to consider carefully how you might word your letter. As an active JW you will feel naturally inclined to "play by the rules" . . . but all you need to convey is that you no longer wish to be known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. You can make it clear (even though it won't happen) that you have no desire to stop associating with your current friends . . . nor to cease following the leadings and teachings of christ (not apostacising) . . . those are impositions THEY will place on you anyway . . . but you don't have to attach those labels to yourself . . . good luck.
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  Just wanted to say hello

  by WhatWasIThinking in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  between all that and studying for meetings and taking care of the house i had little free time.

  i show up at the hall at 6:00 am on the day before christmas and no one is there.

  she knows i'm da'd and doesn't care.

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  Great first post WWIT . . . and welcome.

  I was a JW for 23 years . . . been out for 7. When I was regular pioneering I found myself working alone more and more. When discussing it with a couple of Elders I was told to "trust in Jehovah more" and "to be prepared to work alone" . . . talk about changing the counsel to fit the circumstances!
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Murray Smith

  Your probably in the worst place of all in your "journey" Nobleheart . . . it just sucks don't it.

  Depending on your personal circumstances (family ties etc), the concensus here would probably be to begin the fading process. This will precipitate more than one repeat of your recent experience.

  If you want to initiate a rapid fade . . . then fein a mental illness (no I'm not kidding) . . . make it known you are suffering from depression and you will soon be left to your own devices and eventually forgotten . . . apologies to fellow genuine sufferers.
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  Seen this ?

  by mouthy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  click here: youtube - what every jehovahs witness should see - part 3

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  Not your fault mouthy . . . but the ending did highlight something for me . . . only a JW or an XJW could sucessfully "stage" a d 2 d encounter that would survive scrutiny . . . such is the nature of cult behavior
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  Your favorite "bumper stickers"

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  i have two.

  "please god protect me from your people".

  "if you love something let go.......if it doesn't come back, hunt in down and kill it" .

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  Murray Smith

  GO AHEAD - HONK YOUR BRAINS OUT - IT WON'T TAKE LONG

  Luvonyall
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  Seen this ?

  by mouthy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  click here: youtube - what every jehovahs witness should see - part 3

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  Murray Smith

  Great reasoning on the Christmas thing garyneal . . . hadn't drawn that comparison till now . . .

  Russells burial site is something I had familiarised myself with prior. . . but the "Divine Plan" citings were interesting.

  As for the obviously staged debacle at the end . . . simply baffling . . . only serves to bring down rest of clip . . . I cannot imagine any circumstances where a JW would refer to the householder as "brother"
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  Humans have only been around for 6000 years? I have a question...

  by KristiKay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  of corse i know that we've been around much longer, i think it's more like 250,000. what i'm wondering , is it even possible to turn 2 people into almost 7billion, in that short period of time?

  and during that time, two white, or probably some shade of brown people gradually became all the differnt races we have today?

  that dosen't seem logical, i know jws aren't logical, but did this ever cross anyones mind while they were in this religion?.

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  Murray Smith

  Sorry . . . I should have explained . . . it was Ranginui, the god of the sky (evidently an angel of Jehovah) who related these things to Maui the great fisherman (likely this was one of Noah's sons probably Ham) and he told them.

  You can see the strong Genesis connection . . .
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  Are women more spiritual then men?

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  before you women jump all over me, this is just a observation.. first of all at least in this country women out number men in religion,.

  across the board,(jw,s,baptist, catholic etc.

  ) you walk in any church.

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  Murray Smith

  Excuse my ignorance CP . . . I'm probably diametrically opposite down here globally speaking . . . can I use that excuse? . . . but thank you very much for the clarification
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  Humans have only been around for 6000 years? I have a question...

  by KristiKay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  of corse i know that we've been around much longer, i think it's more like 250,000. what i'm wondering , is it even possible to turn 2 people into almost 7billion, in that short period of time?

  and during that time, two white, or probably some shade of brown people gradually became all the differnt races we have today?

  that dosen't seem logical, i know jws aren't logical, but did this ever cross anyones mind while they were in this religion?.

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  Murray Smith

  I think I can help with the animals on the ark problem . . . There is an ancient legend among my ancesters (Tangata Whenua), that Noah was in fact the worlds first postman . . . and that while his sons where busy pro-creating, he personally dropped off all the little animals at their respective homes . . . Moa's in New Zealand . . . Kangaroos in Australia . . . Panda's in China . . . you get the picture . . . makes sense aye?

  I actually believe that this could even be a missing Chapter from the book of Genesis . . . it deserves to be there no question
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  Are women more spiritual then men?

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  before you women jump all over me, this is just a observation.. first of all at least in this country women out number men in religion,.

  across the board,(jw,s,baptist, catholic etc.

  ) you walk in any church.

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  Murray Smith

  CP . . . this is driving me crazy . . . just what is this "lilliput" country of yours?

  PS: Can't disagree with your observations re; womens role . . . interesting from your perspective. A negative for males is they often end up with weak relationships in thier own families when thier time get's sucked away . . .